Ron Collins Loses...Again

Ron Collins has lost to “Icy Mike” at the Street Beefs event. No one is surprised.

Despite Collins having a huge weight advantage (mainly fat), his lack of skill was his downfall. After moving around badly for a few moments while Mike kicked his legs, he was knocked down and allowed to get up again by Mike. He took another light punch and then gave up while still standing.

It should be noted that while Collins was willing to get into the ring with Icy Mike, with whom he has no history, he has always avoided the same with Don Roley and others. His excuse, as expressed on a video posted today, is that the conditions Roley sets requires someone being crippled for the fight to end.

In reality, as this site noted, the actual conditions set down by Roley when Collins showed up at his seminar hiding behind four other people is as follows,

"Just him, just me, no weapons," Roley says. "When it gets too bad, if somebody's looking at, like, a hospital stay, everybody jumps in and stops it." 

So when things get too bad everyone steps in and stops things. With four people with Collins, that means that long before a hospital stay would be required the fight could be called off. Things might get to a point where a hospital stay is a reality, but sending someone there is clearly not a requirement for victory. Collins’ friends could have jumped in any time they thought things were getting “too bad.”

Now we can expect this fight to be used as a type of straw man argument. Collins is low hanging fruit. No one has ever been able to verify any of his claims of training under an actual teacher longer than maybe a seminar with Ashida Kim. He is completely untrained and his videos show that he has no idea at all about the realities of combat. Even in his pistol videos he used to have up, he swings the barrel across himself several times. He is self taught off of videos and books. He is a fraud in every definition of the word.

Lumping him in with people that have actual training is dishonest at best. But there are those that make any attempt they can to tear down anything other than what they do. We can expect this now that Collins has been shown to be totally incompetent against someone with actual training.

The debate about MMA vs Traditional Martial Arts (TMA) is a long one. It can’t be dealt with completely in this blog. The defeat of Collins should not be used in this debate and any sort of example.

Collins has avoided any fight with any TMA practitioner. That tells you that he knows he will not do well against them. He makes excuses and blames the other side, but it is rather clear to those paying attention that he lives in complete fear of having his lack of abilities shown to the world. He has made great effort to build his opponent today as a great fighter so it would be like most of us losing a game of golf against Tiger Woods.

There are many TMA practitioners that are cheering Collins’ defeat. They despise his type more than MMA students do. For the TMA crowd, frauds such as Collins get them all painted with the same brush. If Collins actually were willing to face someone from TMA, he would have dozens of people lining up for a chance. But his history is one of never getting into a situation where that can be a reality.

So this fight shows how little a self taught ninja like Collins knows. It may be indicative of all the other people making silly claims like his former friends at the Black Dragon Fighting Society, which let him show up at their events. But it goes no further than that. Collins seems to know that he would lose to any TMA student and avoids giving them a chance to prove it. His lack of ability he showed today does not reflect on anyone who actually has spent years under an instructor.